Ep.251 Know Your Dose With Haley Hunt Of Haus Of Jayne

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Welcome to Mullet and Michelle. I am Michelle, and this is Steve. I said Hello, everybody. Mullet. Mullet and Michelle. Mullet.

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That's what they called me in high school.

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They they called you mullet?

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They called me mullet, yeah, but not for the hair. I was a wrestler, and a mullet is a fish, so I was a wrestler that flopped around on the mat. That's why they called me mullet.

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Well, I heard something new about a mullet, which is like either you like your toilet paper with bangs or with a mullet.

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Is it with a mullet or with bangs?

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It's with bangs.

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With bangs.

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There is no other way. That's the the the other way doesn't even exist. You can't do it the other way. That's what I'm saying.

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No, there's not. Yeah, it's supposed to be 90 degrees tomorrow. It was what 42 on Saturday in the morning? It was cold. Yeah, I loved it. I yeah. Unfortunately, it won't last, but uh maybe uh I guess by January, February, maybe we'll get some snow and ice and we'll all get to stay home for a couple days.

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Which I will shorten next week. They were good, but I'm going to shorten them next week. Hey, today we're joined by Haley Hunt of House of Jane in Dripping Springs, a local business caught in the middle of Texas's ongoing battle over hemp derived THC products. With recent legal developments threatening the future of businesses like hers, Haley faces an uncertain road ahead. Uh an uncertain road ahead. We'll talk about what these changes mean for her livelihood, her customers, and an entire industry that suddenly finds itself fighting for survival. Is this about public safety, politics, or something else entirely? Let's find out. Welcome to the show, Haley, for the second time.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

Thank you so much for having me again. Sorry, Haley. Sorry you had to sit through 30 minutes. I love it. I love it. I'm just over here grinning.

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All agree. Well, uh, yeah, you were on in episode 39 way back in the emphasis. We apologize for that because we know we weren't very good back then, but uh lots have happened since then.

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It has, absolutely.

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So what's been going on uh with you know, I mean, there's legislation that's come down that's changed your business. You were a thriving business at the house of Jane, and now what's been going on?

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Absolutely. So the past year has been a roller coaster of epic proportions. I think coming off of the year last year, beginning of the year, we were rocking and rolling, and we had more clients than ever. Our sales were amazing. And then March 31st comes around, and THCA um was essentially to make it kind of it's hard to kind of understand everything, but they essentially banned THCA flour. Now, when I say flour, that's what we all know is like the green. Yes, the smokable aspect of it. Um, and when I say they, it is um Texas Department of Health and Human Services, known as dishes. Um and so they essentially um, you know, because it used to be below 0.3% Delta 9 THC. And so when that law changed, flour essentially was taking off the shelf. Um, not as quickly as you would probably imagine. House of Jane, we're big advocates, so we are on top of every role change pretty much as soon as it happens. And so, you know, we've always said we're we're big on integrity and transparency, so we follow the law and took it off our shelves March 31st. Now I think a lot of the confusion is what happened July 31st. That's right.

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Because, you know, I want to talk about July 30th to 31st and how somebody went from being a law-abiding Texan on a Thursday to potentially committing a felony on a Friday. And as a business owner, you guys have inventory. So does that also make you I mean, how do you how do you handle that? You're trying to sell all your inventory on Thursday and now you're in possession of it on a Friday. Let's talk about that a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Yeah, so the situation with July 31st, it was more cannabinoids of like Delta 8, HHC, THCP, and unfortunately THCV, they call them like the isomers of the plant. So I kind of like an easy way to say it, it's more the synthetic aspect of the plant. So Delta VIII has been on the chopping block honestly since COVID. I think it got delayed, pushback. You know how you know the government kind of works in that way. And so we didn't honestly have a lot of Delta VI products, maybe two. Um, and we knew it was coming. And so we had already kind of started phasing that product out. Um, and again, maybe another product with a little HHC and THCP in there, just because it would kind of give those products a higher dose range. Okay. So we found the cleanest that we could, obviously, you know, and unfortunately, yeah, about two products. So the July 31st did not affect us as big as you would think, because people I think were um thinking that THCA flour roll was in there as well. And it is not, it is completely separate. And that's one of the things we're trying to definitely educate our clients on because Delta 8, HHC, THCP, and products with THCV and them are a schedule one controlled substance. So, like you were saying, oh yes, so it is very serious, you know. Um, it was really unfortunate though on the THCV aspect. We're still dealing with that a little bit. Um, I know it's like alphabet soup, but if you just think about this one cannabinoid, it's been studied quite a lot and it's in a lot of your sativa products. So we have some really, really good um sativa products that unfortunately were having to phase out because they maybe added that isolate THCV in there. And it is just utterly absurd um to think that that is a Schedule One controlled because it's non-intoxicating. It gives you an uplift and it is shown, you know, to help with I'm very careful on you know what I can say here, you know, but like email, you know, appetite suppressant and that sort of thing. Um, but to each their own on that.

SPEAKER_05 9:23

Is it like um ginseng or caffeine or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 9:27

You can look at it like an adaptogen, I guess, a little bit, you know, it just kind of brought a more of an uplift to the product and people really like it, maybe a little bit of focus, again, that sativa-esque kind of profile. And so it's really, really unfortunate um on that aspect of things. Like, say I I kind of tell my clients some people like it and don't, but I'm pretty honest and again, transparent. But um, I wasn't, you know, fighting against the Delta 8, HHC, THCP getting off the market because I understand there's a lot of worry out there with kids getting a hold of gummies. And you know, you go to the convenience store, you see a thousand milligram gummy. It had all that crap in there. So do you know, it's good. So we all have my my stores full of just Delta IX, hemp derived Delta 9 THC. So that's the best.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

There was also a uh um uh a licensing. Didn't you have to pay something per year now? Or what was that about? Do you remember that, Steve?

SPEAKER_05 10:26

I I don't. I actually am not up to speed on so fill us in on the actual changes in the law that happened.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yeah, so that's gonna be a big one that we haven't unfortunately come across yet because we had just renewed our license. So let's say I'm just a retail store, right? Um, I don't produce any products, anything like that. So I would say let's say I paid, you know, under 300 bucks a year. So now that's five thousand dollars per location. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 10:54

Oh my gosh. So Well, that sounds to me like a government trying to put a business out of business.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

That's about well, and then Christy and I had produced a topical, and if we continue to do that, it's an additional ten thousand dollars. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

So per location. Yeah. You had multiple locations.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Yes. And so if you're gonna produce your own product, you have to pay $10,000 and then it's the $5,000 per location. So you're you know, as my store, if we continue on that route, it'd be fifteen thousand dollars. You know, it just it's absurd.

SPEAKER_05 11:25

This was a this was part of the uh DH uh whatever it is um uh ruling that came down. So it didn't come from the legislature, it came from di this dishes.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Yeah, yeah. And that's what people are saying because they're not a legislative body, right? So how are they making these rules, especially when Governor Abbott vetoed and again we want regulations? They did 21 and up, which since we opened, we've always been 21 and up. There's been, you know, no question about that. Everybody in this industry wants regulation. We just don't want it so regulated we're extinct, you know? And so um the packaging, everything has to be childproof, um, which is fine. Um, a lot of products already were. Um we did get, you know, exit bags, so to speak, if they weren't. And so we were compliant on that immediately as well. Sorry. And then um a lot of uh different rules that Texas would say, you know, THC is psychoactive and you know, not approved by the FDA, they would have different rules like that, which again makes sense. Um, but I think it's hard for nationwide companies. Let's just throw out Wild, for instance. Yes, they have which is my favorite, one of my favorite. It's a gummies. And so they have a non-THC line, um hemp THC line, and you know, marijuana THC line. And so um they are nationwide companies. So you're thinking about these companies now having to, you know, comply with all the variant states new rules that are coming out, and so they're just covered in wording and all of that stuff. So again, I I get it. And you know, it's I always told my clients it's a little aggressive, everything that we have to do to package certain things up, but at least we're able to sell right now. So you know, we're just taking it day by day and be thankful for Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

How much do you think this rule change, because it's not legislature, has cost you personally?

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Um you know sleep-wise, mental-wise, financially.

SPEAKER_05 13:30

Financially is what I was asking, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

You know, we have a I employ a lot of single moms. Yeah. We my husband and I have put a lot of time and money into this business since 2019. And to see our peak and to see the impact though that we have on our clients that come in every day and tell us how amazing it is and how it's working for them or their grandparents and their pets. Yes. I've gone over and bought stuff for my pets over there. Absolutely, you know, and it's it's it's been a roller coaster even since last legislative session because um I don't know if y'all saw, but I went, you know, a lot and spoke and testified and um in front of who? In front of the legislature, different committees, yes, yeah, different committees and whatnot. And so to me, it was the most disheartening thing I've ever been a part of. I just got so much ick from it because we were not being heard. You uh it just felt like yeah, there's underlying things happening behind the scenes. And, you know, to me, money talks, and I don't know if the hemp industry, you know, just isn't, you know, organized. I think there's a lot of groups, and maybe that was one of the things in the last legislative session, a little bit of detriment to the hemp industry, was there were so many different groups, and now they're consolidated a little bit more in in what we're trying to do. So I think that will be good come spring, but or come January essentially. You talked.

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Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 15:01

So I was just uh is it politically driven then? I mean, is you you're saying you you when you you felt like you were speaking to a room that wasn't listening, it sounded like. But was it so the original idea to put this ruling into place, why do you think that came about?

SPEAKER_01 15:18

It's hard to say. It's just the three of us. I know, I know. There's a there's a uh Senator in Lubbock that is like was gung-ho, and of course Dan Patrick, the lieutenant governor. It's weird because he hated hemp so much, but he supports the medical program. And so to me, I was like, hmm.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

You're trying to figure out where where the buck is stopping. Yeah, okay. Yeah, the lobbyists are speaking.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yeah, and and honestly, like when I would go and hear people talk and they would have, you know, the worst of the worst. Like, you know, there's this Houston sheriff or I'm sorry, constable, whatever his role is. He would come and speak at every single one, and it was just everything negative. You know, we're killing kids, we're doing this, we're doing that. And then you would have the parents of certain kids that got a hold of some bad products. And do not get me wrong, like that as a mom. Yeah. As a mom, I I believe them and agree with them, but I also believe that um completely banning it is is going to be a bigger detriment to our society because, you know, they're gonna get what they want.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

Yeah. So let's talk about the medical marijuana aspect and the push to kind of get everybody a medical marijuana card. I mean, gosh, you can go to Colorado, you can go to these other states that you know require these medical marijuana well, people states that aren't like let's say Oklahoma, for instance, that's not, you know, it's not fully legal versus California. So this push to get a medical marijuana card, um, it's you're you're allowing somebody to to get a card where if you don't have a card, you can buy the stuff. It makes no sense to me. It's almost like a pres it's becoming now a prescription.

SPEAKER_05 17:01

And so it seems to me like the ruling has made things harder to understand than it clarified it for for people like us.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

But don't you, if you have a medical marijuana card, correct me if I'm wrong. Can you not have a concealed carry? Was there was like I thought there was a little I thought there was something in regards to the medical marijuana and the concealed carry.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

To me, that's not clarified at all because that is a big contention in some of the talks that I've heard. And to me, there's just zero clarity on that right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

So there's just so much that is unclear up in the air, even in regards to what happened in March, what happened in July. So now let's talk about the consumer for a quick second. So a consumer who legally bought a Delta VIII gummy on a Thursday and now on Friday, they have it in their cupboard. They have it in their cupboard.

SPEAKER_05 17:52

So are they gonna be felons?

SPEAKER_01 17:54

I mean, if they get caught. If they get caught. And, you know, the police officer knows and understands, because that's another thing. I mean, if if we're as business owners and advocates that are on top of everything are confused, how do you think the police officers feel? And to me, are they gonna pull over a mom and she's got deltate gummies and take her to jail? I can't imagine that's the act, you know, something that would happen. Unless you're in Williamson County, maybe. County matters. Yeah. Um and so to me, it's just one of those things we always err on the side of caution, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:28

Well uh talk to me about uh the idea that it would harm kids if they got it and they're not supposed to get it. Because our houses are filled with stuff that kids, you know, tied pods and uh bleached underneath the sink and you know, all kinds of things that, yeah, if you if you let your kid be exposed to that, they they could be harmed. Were there any other things that people brought up about these things should be banned because and you kind of thought, well, maybe that's legitimate. I don't I don't know. Did you hear any other reasons why?

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah, you know, because uh uh just with everything, you're gonna have bad actors, right? I mean, there's certain gummies that look like tricks and candy and Cheetos and gummy bears and gummy worms and So those those sound like they were actually marketed, maybe where case would be attracted to the very similar to like the nicotine kind of vapes that were in the flavors and yes, and so that was a big change. I mean, I think they even said like you can't have fruit, you know, on there. And I mean, they it got really restrictive, but again, there's a lot of gray in there, you know, because there's nothing clear as day in this industry at all right now. So again, that didn't really affect us because as purchasers we're not looking for those kind of products, and so we didn't have any issues with any of our vendors and whatnot. But, you know, the bad actors really kind of lead the way in in some of these rulings that are happening. Yeah. You know, not IDing the kids and, you know, having them right there by the register where a kid doesn't know he's grabbing a thousand milligram gummy and it's it can be very bad.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

Yeah, there is a lot of lot of un unclear things out there. We just interviewed, it was actually released um today when we're interviewing you, um, Kirsta Melton.

SPEAKER_05 20:13

No, Jeffrey Tawa. Oh sorry, Jeffrey Towowa.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

So not before yes, the week before last.

SPEAKER_05 20:16

It's been a busy couple weeks.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

I'm sorry. She's running for uh as an independent for DA of Hayes County as criminal DA of Hayes County, and we we asked her this question and and she said it there is so many things that are unclear, and even the letter of the law is unclear. And so as a business owner and also as a consumer, where do you go? Where where do you go from this? I mean, are you just are we gonna go back to the sketchy street corner, you know, uh three four five kind of um I mean think about it. Is that is that you want to talk about unregulated, that's unregulated.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah. So how do we fix this, Haley? So I think again, this is just my own personal per perspective of everything, but I think what's happening is they're wanting to expand the medical program. So last year they added vapes, and then they expanded from two or three. I think we had three licenses. Yes. So we last September vapes were banned for us to sell it to clients. And then the medical program added it onto theirs last legislative session, and they added, I think there were three licenses to operating, now there's thirteen. And so, because I think the biggest complaint with the medical program was access, cost, you know, your options, your availability, that sort of thing. And so what I see happening, and they added um, you know, PTSD on there. If they can add pain on there this legislative session and add flour, to me, that's an easy transition for all of my clients. And especially because I think there's several um, you know, spots in Austin that they could get it and then they'll have delivery spots and pickup spots. So That this all sounds maybe pretty easy, is gonna take time. It's gonna take a lot, but I'm I'm hopeful, not necessarily for my individual hemp business, but I'm hopeful like for cannabis that it's not gonna go completely backwards because you know, when we're all saying money talks, I mean this is, you know, I think it was back in 2024. I hope I'm right on that, but they said it was like an eight billion dollar industry here in Texas. You know, so think about the taxes that we're all paying on that, employees and farmers. I mean, it's that's it's so much more than just me in our store.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

That's what when you were talking about the, you know, what's the motivation behind coming up with this ruling? I would I always think, okay, where's the money? Where you know, and the the government entities want to have the taxes, and so if they're if they have more control over it and that it's more of a medical situation, then they control control getting more taxes. Aaron Powell Exactly. Yeah, that's gotta be frustrating. But so the a lot of people have businesses like yours, House of Jane, and um and then there's suppliers and uh I guess growers, and they're Texas growers. Absolutely. Distributors, distributors, processors. How is this affecting are you seeing a lot of businesses shut down?

SPEAKER_01 23:12

We are. We are seeing vendors no longer making specific products because December 11th, it got pushed back federally. Now, if this happens federally, the nationwide hemp industry is gone. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

Okay, so explain. I was reading a little bit about that and I was really kind of confused again what it means federally.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Yeah. Yeah. So federally right now, there is a bill in play that essentially you cannot have more than 0.4 milligrams per package. Okay, we're basically just talking CBD would be allowable, and that is it. And no business can run off CBD right now. It you could just do online, I guess. But um, it will be interesting because so many people are like, it's the alcohol industry, it's the alcohol industry that's messing around and blah, blah, blah. And maybe it is, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

But the lobbyist of the alcohol administrator, okay. Less people are drinking.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Well, and they're fighting for cannabis drinks to be good, right? And so, you know, again, I I'm not gonna speak on what I just don't know, but I can see, again, if I can forecast it out, I think, you know, because they have a three-tier system already set up, 21 and up. Um, people are buying less alcohol and beer, drinking a whole lot less, yet cannabis sales are increasing. And especially the drinks and spirits. We were talking about Willie's earlier. You know, we sell a ton of that. We have a local one that is made here, and it's it's it's beautiful, but I can see liquor taking that and beer and wine taking all the cans. So we'll see. You know what I mean? And so, okay, so that's that's that part gone from us because I'm not gonna get a beer and wine license or liquor license. You know, at this point, it's just fees upon fees. And then um, but there's hope that they may delay it nine months. There's talk of that.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

Um is there a big support federally for this, or is it just a bill that somebody's trying to push through a feel-good?

SPEAKER_01 25:03

Yes. So you know how bills work, they get stuck in other things, they hold things hostage. And me being in the industry, obviously I'm hearing a lot about like what we can do, what you can do, sign here, do this. But is cannabis the most important thing on the docket these days? Absolutely not. You know, and so where the importance of that comes in, because it's more than just cannabis, though. We're talking about like jobs, people's livelihoods, um, so much. Veterans. You know?

SPEAKER_05 25:33

I was gonna ask you about that. Can you give us a couple of success stories you've had that people have come to your business that you've helped, and then maybe some people now that with this new ruling are being deprived? And how is it affecting them? So a success story, and then you know, somebody that that you used to see on a regular basis that is being helped that isn't being helped.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Yeah, I mean, I would definitely say sleep is one of the biggest ones for men, women, veterans, um, you know, every everyone.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

Menopausal women.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

Yeah, yeah. And so to me, where you're not taking sleeping medication that was not made for long-term use and have a ton of side effects, and you can take this gummy and sleep well. You know, that that to me is a huge um positive of the cannabis industry. And another one is just pain. To me, anxiety sleep can be a little bit harder, but you know, when you have older people that are coming in and new hips, new shoulders, new knees, and they're not wanting to take oxy and in different pharmaceuticals, and I can give them a topical and a gummy. And you know, I'm a big micro doser. I think microdosing on cannabis a little bit throughout the day because we're not trying to get everybody just high all day, right? A small amount can make a huge difference in anxiety and in pain. And so um we have a ton of clients that just take it for their quality of life, right? Whether it's sleep and anxiety, pain, those are the main ones.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

We're not talking about, you know, uh a modern day chee chinchong here where you're just sitting there hot boxing in your in your car driving.

SPEAKER_05 27:03

Who? Cheech and chong?

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Who um but let's say there's somebody right now listening that has never used THC or doesn't really kind of intend to and doesn't really kind of care for marijuana for whatever religious or or political regions or whatever, why should this issue matter to them? Because that we're adults and we should be able to choose.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Damn strike, you know. Damn straight. Absolutely, absolutely. Why why not? If I am, you know, 44-year-old woman and I want to take an alternative medicine, why why don't I have that access and that option? I mean, obviously I do right now, but yeah, you know, if that's being threatened, and just real quick to finish off your question, Steve, on that last part of like to me, flour, flowers was was a big thing that went away that people, you know, it was probably one of definitely our top seller, you know. And the reason behind that is because it's a very controllable, you know, consumption method. Um, you have a mom who can't sleep, she would go hit it one time, you know, go to sleep. Um and so people not having that, and now you get into gummies and you're trying to find your right dosage because you know, you take too much, it does the opposite effect. It is, it is. And so, but to me, that's where our store really comes into play because it's all about education, all of it. Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_05 28:22

Yeah, the trial and error thing, I bet that is so frustrating. You try, you know, you found this perfect thing, like, man, I can finally sleep again. I'm getting a good eight hour sleep, and then oh, I can't even buy that anymore. Now what do I do? Yeah, that's that would be.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Well, think about how people who took hydrochloroquine during the COVID and how they were just skewered and and made to look like fools, but now it has been proven that it has helped the people with COVID at the time and a hell of a lot of other things that are going on. So if you're um if you could sit down right now with Governor Abbott or Lieutenant Dan Patrick and sit on your hands and not and not smack Patrick and the law, the other kind of lawmakers that are that are driving some of these restrictions, what would you want them to understand? You have a direct ear to these guys.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

I would just say that we are looking for sensible regulation, that we understand that there's gonna be issues with everything, but to me it's all about not taking it away completely from us and just just putting us on the chopping board essentially, but it is about regulation and we are already doing that. I think a study came out the other day that they went around to a thousand smoke shops, and I think 99.8% of them all ID'd. You know, that is not the same with liquor, but they do not want to hear any comparison to the liquor industry, you know, whether it's still. Well, because that's good old boy. Yeah, that's good old boy. You get a margarita to go, but heaven forbid you get your nighttime sleeping gummy, you know.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

And we're not wanting to turn Texas into Portland, Oregon, where you know Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 29:55

That's what I was gonna say is I think that maybe where some of the fear comes from. Because we've we've been to Portland.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

Both of us, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:02

You know, you there's there's a pot shop on literally every street corner, and the homelessness is like everywhere. And so the zombies is what I think there is some fear that if from people who aren't educated, that if we legalize this, and maybe not every store has the integrity that your store has, you know, we could have a whole population of people just sleeping on on benches or or you know, shooting up heroin on you know, right down the street from because that's what's going on in Portland.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know that you you hear like it's the gateway drug, it's this, it's that, and just like with anything, I mean, coffee's a stimulant, it can be addictive. You know, you don't want to go and drink eight cups of coffee a day, et cetera. You know, I think we have to have some um autonomy in what we're doing here, you know, and some discernment. Um and is is it easy to sit down with Dan Patrick and Governor Abbott? I mean, I can sit down all day and tell you case studies and and how it is effective it is and what what we could do because there are so many different groups out there that have it outlined beautifully, you know, and it makes sense, but they, you know, maybe go uh maybe I'm wrong and g, you know, the governor heard it from the veterans and vetoed it last minute. Yeah. You know, so there's got to be a little say in that. But uh But then it didn't change anything.

SPEAKER_05 31:16

He vetoed it and the and the ruling still came out.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yeah, because Dishes and Dan Patrick and Senator Perry out of Lubbock um I think really got into the ear of whomever, and again, this is just my opinion, but um and really told them because the THCA thing was always a little precarious in the definition, and and I think you know they were they were told pretty quickly about what that means.

SPEAKER_05 31:40

But um did this whole experience with you going up there and testifying and meeting with the committees, did it make you think, well, I wouldn't mind getting into politics? Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

I told Christy, my uh business partner, this advocacy season in Europe because it it took a lot out of me. And I think I'm always like a half-glass full kind of person, and I I'm the intentions, I see so m much goodness in what we're doing every single day, and just to be shut down, not heard, and almost kind of mocked a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 32:15

I was gonna say, were you were they some of them rude to you? Yes. Really?

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Yes, you know, and and I you can see certain people, you know, that would get all hot and bothered because you could tell they weren't being heard, and so then they would kind of elevate a little bit, and then it it's just it was just a whole interesting, interesting um little section of life.

SPEAKER_05 32:36

Yeah, yeah. I just wouldn't want to do that to myself.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Yeah, you know, I want to be happy.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

Yeah, I'm with you. I know, I know. And it's just like a constant fight. There's always something going on that they're arguing about. I just yeah, I would need more gummies to sleep at.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

What do you think that other states right now that um that have this legalized have gotten right? And who who could Texas be using as an example per se?

SPEAKER_01 33:07

We're looking at all that. That that was one of the biggest things in legislative. Like, who can we compare, you know, who's doing it right? And honestly, I just can't name one because what's happening in the legal states, let's say Colorado, California, you know, they're rocking and rolling. Well, all of a sudden, all the non-legal states, Florida, Texas, all, you know, big states who are selling a bunch of hemp come in. And so you have a lot of farmers and vendors, and and they're changing all to hemp, you know, and then you have all these hemp stores popping up, so they're not going to the legal stores. So Colorado changed their rules big time. I know several vendors that had to leave Colorado, and I think they went to Tennessee and North or South Carolina, but there's even some rules changing on there. So every state right now is going through some rule changes that are really cutting it all off.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

So, okay, I I need you to explain to our audience the basic difference between hemp, just the buzzwords, the hemp and then a marijuana plant, like what you're what you're seeing. What are we talking about? Because, you know, when you're driving down 12, you see hemp farm. And we when it first came, we were like, you know, can you even imagine like when we were kids? We drove by. We're like, okay, so explain to the the basics of the differences.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Easy. So um that was uh Tejos hemp farm that you're speaking of. Um and so he so essentially if you look at a hemp plant and a marijuana plant next to each other, they're gonna look very, very similar, smell similar. Um, but uh the hemp plant, let's say you take the top portion of it and you go test it. That's what it is. It's all about the concentration of delta nine THC in that plant. So hemp is gonna be always less, and then the marijuana will be like say, you know, 22 to 40 percent. Yeah. And so that hemp plant is less than 0.3% delta-9 THC. So then they take it to a lab, they're processing it. Sometimes it's more of a synthetic process, sometimes it's uh all natural. You know, it just depends on the processor and you know, money, how much money you want to spend. Um, I like to say, you know, there's different levels of hemp distillate, so to speak, if you think of uh in the wine world, you know, you have your basic wine that you know you can spend 15, 20 bucks on or whatever, and then you have your higher quality and then your extra high quality. So hemp can do all those things just like the marijuana plant can. So basically it's all that plant that's in the ground, it's genetics, it's how it's grown, it's the lab results.

SPEAKER_05 35:35

And and it's the amount of THC. So it's it is the same chemical, it's just the one is much more potent. Uh and then and the other one is where you can kind of regulate it a little bit more and and get it in a degree where because if you're smoking marijuana, you're probably gonna get really, really high. And there's no there's no on-off on that regulation.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Right. Well, and then and then you have like plants like that had THC A. When THC A came out, which is the acidic form, again, I know it's alphabet soup, but if you decarboxylate it, you burn it, then it changes into Delta 9 THC, right? And so that's it's a burn factor, right? Yeah, it's the burn factor. But to me, that was one of the best things that we got to sell because for a while there everybody was spraying hemp flour with delta eight distillate, which is just to each their own, but we weren't being part of that. So to me, we're more natural, like whole plant. And so I loved that THCA came out that way out of the ground, right? And so we clipped those buds and then we were selling it to the consumer. And so obviously that's gone now, but it is it's it's confusing, but it's it's basically just all the con the amount of THC in the lab test in the plant as it's growing.

SPEAKER_05 36:48

Uh this is a kind of a side rabbit trail, but uh why does pot now stink like skunk? And it didn't smell like that when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

Well, that's a good question. Oh, I think it always has, no? Oh, it smells different now. Okay, so we are older than you. I used to smoke like brown stuff with seeds.

SPEAKER_05 37:07

Yeah, the stims of the seeds out. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

That's terrible, terrible. But it all comes back to genetics, and it what that is is called the terpenes. And so you have like pinene, it smells real piney, lemonine, and um mercy. I smelled that.

SPEAKER_05 37:26

I smelled skunk. I'm like, that smells like skunk.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Yeah, and some of it smells like diesel, like really it's interesting, and it's all the terpenes on the planet. It's think of like just these little bitty molecules that are sitting on the plant, and each one is based on genetics, right? And so if you have one that has a lot of lemonine, that's more of your sativa, mersine is more your indica, so it really kind of placates that, but that would bring on the smell, like when we had our flower, if you would smell the different ones, every single one would smell different. Terpenes, flavonoids, different things like that in the plant. So a lot of it is sativa in the couch.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 38:02

Okay. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

Like sativa, sorry, sativa in the couch. Yes. Again to couch. Sorry, I got it. So, how as a business owner are you making decisions, your employees, you're investing in your inventory, when the rules are seem to be changing every single month? What how are you handling that as a business owner?

SPEAKER_01 38:19

It's really tough. Christy and I literally were just sitting down with a conversation yesterday about what we're gonna do with our products because if let's just say December 11th, federally it goes through, no one knows if December 12th we're holding Schedule One controlled substance. Yeah. Or does Texas law have to not accommodate, I'm trying to think of the rule, like comply with that or initiate that Texas agrees federally, right? So we don't, we don't know, and nobody does. Like on this advocacy group, there's attorneys, and everybody's trying to figure that out, right? And so we're sitting here like, do we have a flash sell after Thanksgiving? Do we continue to buy more products? Honestly, we're do we shut our doors. Do we shut our doors?

SPEAKER_05 39:04

I was gonna ask you that. Have you ever been sitting in the store there and thought, you know, F it, I'll just close this place up and open a wine bar or a distillery or a brewery.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

You could open a strip club, it'd probably be less controversial.

SPEAKER_04 39:17

Yeah. Just drippers.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Yeah, you know, I don't it's hard to say because I again have been on a roller coaster and as a business owner and knowing that I have employees and to kind of give them a heads up of, hey, we probably will be closing. And then it was like, oh no, we're good. Oh no, we're not good. Oh, we're good. And so to me, I've like real estate, Haley. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Ups and downs. But yeah, to me, like to be completely honest, I just don't see this lasting. You know, I don't see us making it through legislative session because it will depend on November and who gets in there. Like Vicky Goodwin, um, for instance, for Lieutenant Governor, she's gonna be at the House of Jane Thursday. I saw that. Um, and so we really need her in because Dan Patrick is if he gets in, yeah, it's for sure we're screwed. Um I think it's a little hard though for promises of polit politicians to say, oh, we'll regul you know, legalize. Well, you have a whole Senate and House that's gonna have to agree. And there's so much to that, and so many, y'all know, so many promises are made in the political world that are not achieved. And so um I just think that we have made our peak and met our peak, and I'm not sure how you, you know, financially continue when you don't see the future of uh where we're at.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

Well you mentioned Vicky Goodwin. As lieutenant governor, what could she do to secure eve if Governor Abbott has already vetoed this and then a a regulatory committee has kind of gone around his around the governor of Texas and has put down down these regulations, what as a lieutenant governor is she able to do?

SPEAKER_01 40:58

So from my understanding, they really run the Senate and how committees are put together, who's on those committees, those are the people making decisions and being very influential in our industry, right? Um there's a lot of holding bills hostage. If you don't approve this, I'm not gonna approve yours. And to me, that's where the you know, I think Vicky has the best message of I would hope so, you know, that she can actually do something, but do I know, do I believe? I honestly just don't know. You know, after seeing what happened the last session, I just that again, that's probably why I'm like, Yeah, you mentioned the advocac advocacy group.

SPEAKER_05 41:33

Are they being uh what tell us about that? And is it being effective?

SPEAKER_01 41:37

I think so. I mean, um it's the Texas Hemp Business Council and the M Texas MJ policy. They changed their name. I think those are the main two that I would definitely say. Um we were used to be part of the Texas Hemp Coalition, which I think it was an amazing coalition, but um got dismantled this past year. And so we've really put our eggs all in the THBC basket. Um they actually run Hometown Hero as well.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

Um, and so um he's got really good, clear messages all the time, and so um they're constantly staying, and you know, they they probably make some pretty good money, and so they can hire the attorneys and hire the lobbyist and really get out there. Um so again, I'm kind of in this world, so I'm seeing it a lot, but I'm seeing my clients come in so confused, not knowing anything. So, where the message is being sent and not sent and not received, it's hard to say.

SPEAKER_05 42:32

If somebody wants to get involved in that fight, how can they do that?

SPEAKER_01 42:35

I would definitely go to that THBC because you can become a member, you get your newsletters, follow them on Instagram. I mean, follow us because we're always putting stuff out as well as soon as we know it. But um, to me, they're very clear in their message. Sometimes we have to be a little bit, you know, yeah it's just a careful, you know, we've already walking a fine line. Yeah, we've already been kicked off Instagram and how to start anew and nobody sees our Facebook anymore. I mean, it's just a constant battle. Yeah, it's unfortunate. I know, it does. I'm like, we're not even trying to sell anything to these people on Instagram. We're just trying to educate. And if you say certain things, they're gonna flag you and then you get shadow banned and then they shut you down and that should be illegal in my mind.

SPEAKER_05 43:16

That should be illegal. Just because you don't like hearing what somebody has to say doesn't mean they should you can you should have the right to shut them up.

SPEAKER_01 43:22

I mean, if you can sit here and see people beat the crap out of each other on Instagram, why can't I sit here and tell you about sleep and this what I have for you?

SPEAKER_05 43:29

And you know, I I see a lot of stuff on Instagram that is completely false. I get a lot of stuff in my feed about aging and creatine and uh uh you know exercises and stuff, and I go, that is just flat out wrong right there. But they allow that. They do. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

So Because you were on our podcast before, we talked a lot about your background and your history, and you are an RN, you're a you're a wife, you've been married a long time, you're a you're a mother. What do you want as a consumer, want people to understand? Understand, not as a business owner.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

I so my biggest thing, I I'm just initially like my initial thing is just gonna be like you don't have to get high with cannabis, right? To me, that is the biggest thing that I try to tell moms. Because listen, I am a mom of three girls. Teenagers was brutal, okay? They are evil. Oh my goodness. It was brutal. You know, yeah. Well, and so to me, I tell people I would take a gummy in the morning, take a gummy in the afternoon, and take one at night, you know, because I could maintain this calmness, you know, where I wasn't having these, you know. I want to choke you out. Yeah. Yes, essentially, right? And so to me, that is the biggest thing that I want people to understand as the consumer, um, to not think like I'm not trying to get you how to go to sleep, you know. And that anxiety, so many people are dealing with anxiety all the time. Yeah. And so it's like one milligram can take the edge off, you know? And so there's there's safety in it, but also it's very important to know where you're getting your product, right? Very important. Very, very important. I'm like, please don't buy it at the convenience store. Please don't, you know, and and there are certain products that we carry that are at the convenience store, don't get me wrong. Like it's not like they're bad across the board, but I know every single product in my store has eight-page full panel lab testing, which Texas requires. Um, they've required it for years. So again, I can't go to the liquor store and grab a bottle of Jack and tell you anything about what's in that bottle. You know, so it's just interesting how how it works. But as a consumer to me, um, because I know that people kind of get scared of, you know, reefer madness or like we're all gonna go around and start reefer madness of heroin and stuff. And I'm like, no, this is this is so much further from that.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

If I was in your shoes, the thing that would frustrate me the most is we live in a world where we are constantly changing our bodies with chemicals. We wine, beer, caffeine, uh, prescription medications, aspirin. I mean, we are constantly modifying what's going on in the chemistry of our body, but not this one little thing right there. We're not gonna allow that. You can have all these thousand other things that change your body, but we're not gonna allow that one little thing.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

Have you looked at the side effects of gabapentin and every single time I go to my neurologist and they try to shove gabapentin down my throat? I finally said I'm allergic to gabapentin for them to stop telling me.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

I mean, there's a lot of like uh what I was reading about statins and like the like 60 million people in the US on statins right now. I'm like, what is going on that a whole like a third of our population, or not even a third, a fifth of our population is on this one drug. What are we doing wrong here? Yeah, yeah. But no, we're not gonna allow this.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

And to me, like, do you not see the consumers? Like, whenever I was testifying, I was like, I have thousands of people who come in my shop every month. Thousands. Yeah. Like it just isn't matching. It just doesn't make sense. And honestly, I cannot wrap my head around why we can't be heard. Because again, I go back to Haley, it's the money.

SPEAKER_05 47:11

It has to be. It has to be the money. It has to be the money.

SPEAKER_01 47:14

You know, but it's like, man, there's so many educated people that articulate this way better than I do that have tried so hard that they're going to all the offices, and it just just not being heard or I just I just don't understand.

SPEAKER_05 47:28

It's campaign contributions, it's lobbyists, it's, you know, taxes.

SPEAKER_03 47:32

And this is across the board, across the aisle. So, like you, you know, I have uh I'm conservative, and I have a lot of friends that are conservative as as well, but they are also users. And so it is important when I'm asking a candidate, when we've had them sit across from me, I've asked the question. I've asked the sheriff. The question is the same thing, Sheriff Hippolito. Um I I feel like this is not a right, left, red, blue, this is not, this is not one of those those hard line in the sand. You have to you have to be able to reach across the aisle, whichever aisle that you were on, and be able to realize that just because you may not be a consumer, there are consumers out there that this thing's these things have helped. And let me tell you, if you're downing a volume at night and you're getting or you're getting in the car.

SPEAKER_05 48:21

Yeah. Or you're buying one of those sleep aids at HCB, who knows what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

Or you go to the convenience store and get one of those little feels good or you know, Kratom. Even drinking a monster.

SPEAKER_05 48:32

Yeah, why I I guess it's not legal to sell is it Kratom uh legal and I think so right now.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

I don't know. Like I I feel like I heard something that federally something's happening, something neat.

SPEAKER_03 48:44

Did you did you know there is I I will not say his name, but he's a fellow real estate agent and he came out publicly that he was buying this on at convenience stores every morning. He was like buying it, and he realized that he became so addicted to it that he had to go to rehab to get because he could not get off of it. Yes, and had to get off of it.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

That was not me. No, it wasn't me. It wasn't you.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

But now yeah, you just faked your open heart surgery, you total a faker. But but now, and I will tell you once we get off the air, I'll tell you the air because uh tell you the name because now he's I'm just blacked out for some reason.

SPEAKER_05 49:22

Can you guys hear me okay?

SPEAKER_03 49:23

We can hear you.

SPEAKER_05 49:24

I am I don't hear my itself. We're still recording, but go ahead. Well, we just know what I did when I hit my I unplugged Amos.

unknown 49:33

That's what I did.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Look in the back, Steve. You just plug it in the back. But what I was saying about about him is that he he is now he is now going around talking about the dangers of this because these kids are able to buy it as well.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

They can, and they're seeing it as an alternative. I heard I had a a friend of a friend, you know, that uh quit drinking and got on Kratom, and he actually got my husband on it for about a month, and I was like, I don't know what's happening right now, but you are not taking that anymore. Like, and I can promise you, certain people walk in my store and I'm like, no, we don't have Kratom. And it it always is, you know, you can just tell there's just something real, real sketchy about it. But I think I think the lawmakers will get on that, and there's like 70H, that feels good stuff. I mean, again, we're just talking about just a bunch of not good stuff, and it's just so different from what we do, but we're getting in the same block as that, which is so unfortunate.

SPEAKER_03 50:30

We walk in Portland, Oregon, down because I'm there every couple months because my son is in med school there, and every single corner has a kratom. Uh every single corner. And they are zombies. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you're walking on on Hawthorne Street. So, you know, I'm walking in the pit of the, you know, the belly of the beast, you know, in Portland, Oregon. But uh, it's great people watching, let me tell you. 38th and Hawthorne, there's a little bar there. You have an old fashioned Nutsley with the people at two o'clock in the getting there in November. I'll check it out. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna 38th and Hawthorne. There's a little bar.

SPEAKER_05 51:11

Sit outside and just sit there and enjoy the shit show because Haley, tell us about the store, House of Jane Now, and where it's at and all that, and tell us what you are selling.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

Yeah, so um we are selling all hemp derived Delta 9 products. So right now we have gummies. It's more like edibles. So gummies, um, you know, suckers, caramels, and then drinks. Okay. And then the new spirits have really launched quite a bit this year. Um, and those are doing very, very well. We are seeing a major transition into people stopping drinking alcohol, but having a little bit of a cannabis drink because, like smoking, it's very controllable, it doesn't last as long. It's water soluble, so it kind of hits fast.

SPEAKER_03 51:55

Are we talking about the Willies?

SPEAKER_01 51:56

Like, yeah, yeah, you can have a Willie's, like um, you know, he's got canned drinks as well. Um, but he's got a spirit that everybody, everybody really likes. So you can either drink it as a shot or mix it. Um, but but to me, again, it goes back to know your dose, know your dose, know what you're taking. Know your dose. Oh, because so many people come in and they're like, oh, I normally drink three cottons and I had three of Willie's and I was on the couch and couldn't move for seven hours. I was like, okay, see, nobody needs that. You know, I mean it and it does because people don't know, and that's one of our biggest things is I'm like, please, like we had the songwriter festival this past weekend. Um, a lot of people came in for the quick acting drinks, and some were grabbing like 100 megs, and I'm like, please, please understand what you're doing, you know, because it makes me very nervous. I don't want people to have a bad experience with our products, so I'm always like, please know what you're taking.

SPEAKER_03 52:51

But I love that you're doing that, Haley, because never once have I gone into um specs per se. Like, and if I'm buying it, I don't know, maybe once a year we buy a whole case of buffalo because when it's available, we buy a case of it. And never once have they said, Do you know what you're drinking?

SPEAKER_01 53:08

Do you better be careful? I know.

SPEAKER_03 53:09

You better be careful.

SPEAKER_01 53:11

Well, and they sell cannabis drinks too. So I hope they are, I hope they are being that's what makes me scared too, just because they don't they're not being educated on what they're taking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:21

And the stores on Old Fits You. And uh you're excited about the TERS project coming?

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Yes, I am and not, right? Because it could not come at a worse time because the stores obviously lost at least 50% business. Do you own that place? Okay. I do. So we're very fortunate in that manner. And so, you know, losing 50 percent at least of our business, and then you think about them shutting the road down um, you know, for what, a year and a half. Um How would how are people gonna get to you? So to me, I would think that they would have a one-way always open.

SPEAKER_05 53:58

I don't think they'll ever shut you off completely, but people may avoid it too. Yeah, it'll just be a high inconvenience.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Yeah. And and just with what we have going on right now, it's just but honestly, like again, I come back to like I can't control it. It's happening. So we're just gonna have to go with the flow.

SPEAKER_05 54:16

Yeah, well, and that's sort of the being a business owner. Yeah, you can't. I mean, we're we're in real estate and you know, it's been a couple of sucky we're doing okay, but it's been a couple sucky years, and uh you just get up every day and do the best you can. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:31

And we usually ask, you know, kind of what keeps you up at night, but we've had an hour-long, you know, session, and I can tell this is what's keeping you up at night. And I think Haley, you have been such a treasure to dripping springs and the education that you have. And I know that when you guys first opened, you know, you were you were kind of looked like the porn store, the strip joint that you might as well, you could have just you could have you couldn't just bar the strip joint, whatever. But you have really engulfed yourself into this community, and like you said, you've raised your three girls here, you've built your family here, you've built a business, you're you're involved in uh chamber and you've you've done so much. So, what is next for Haley Hunt? If this store, if you end up deciding, you and Chrissy decide, okay, this is a business decision, and and to be true and honest to your employees, um, you're not gonna leave dripping. Will you continue continue to stay in dripping?

SPEAKER_01 55:24

Probably. You know, I I don't know. My husband and I are both, I like to say like serial entrepreneurs. I think he's got three jobs right now that he's doing. And so um obviously I help him with a lot of that. Um but my kids are here, and so I I definitely think that we stay in this area and I love dripping. Um, we love everything about the community, the people, we give back a lot. So we we truly believe in what this community is doing for, you know, itself. And to me, it's it's a beautiful thing. Um now my husband and I have a dream goal of probably like RVing to national parks. Like um one of our um lenders was told us, you know, don't do it more than once a quarter, you know, for like a week or two at a time. And so that would be a lovely dream, you know, of ours, because we did have our kids young and so they're grown and essentially out of the house. And so I think um, you know, we we have a lot to look forward to. The the journey with House of Jane has been such a beautiful thing. Like I would never imagine what we've gone through and been through and what we've made and the impact that we've had on the community when we first started. There's no way. Um, but I've also learned about a lot about myself too, and just trying to figure out like what does the next steps look like? Because I do like helping people. So is it, you know, something in my nursing field going back again, you know? But I also like being an entrepreneur and being a boss. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:01

Can you imagine going back to that?

SPEAKER_01 57:03

And so I kind of have a little bit of control issues, I think, aspect. So that would be really hard for me. But you know, my husband, he he comes up with probably a new or two ideas every single day. And I'm more of a realist, and so I'm like, no, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. So I don't know if it'll be back, you know, into retail or anything like that. But um, you know, we'll just see. We we definitely live our lives of enjoyment, so we like to travel and hang out and do a bunch of fun stuff. We have not in a long time because we used to have a house in Colorado, so it made more sense there, you know. Um, but now we have a lake house in Possum Kingdom. So we are lake, lake people. Um love, love it. All of our dogs, yep. So it's actually landlocked, so we have to get to it by boat. So we always have an interesting No way, that's cool. Yeah, my husband actually bought it without me seeing it, too. There's a lot of trust in our marriage.

SPEAKER_05 57:58

But um when you saw it, were you like, okay, good job. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:01

He's that's the third house he's done that. Uh yeah, so we're we're we're kind of funny, but we've you know been together for like 27 years and 13 houses, and so he's he's on point with it. Um but yeah, so I just think uh my biggest thing, you know, my mom passed away from early Alzheimer's at 57, and so I just think that um, you know, I have a lot of friends dealing with cancer. Um, there's a lot happening in the world right now, right? And so I'm just trying to live my best life and be happy and hang out with my kids and see.

SPEAKER_03 58:36

I love that because I say the same thing. My mother died early, and so I always feel like, especially when it comes to my kids, I'm living two lives and now I have a granddaughter. And so, oh God, it's the best. I would trade all three of those spoiled brat children that I have for that one precious little baby. Oh god, she's so yummy. But with that said, yes, enjoy your life, be happy, and stop giving a shit what everybody else thinks about you. Just go out and enjoy your life.

SPEAKER_05 59:03

I am life life is pretty dang short. And you never know how much time you got left. And so, yeah, you know, and we all have these trials and tribulations as business owners. And you know what? At the end of the day, honestly, it doesn't matter all that much. You know, it's who you surround yourself with, who you love, who your family is, and so it does matter what shirt you wear when you come in here. Obviously, it matters more than I ever thought it would Haley, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. You know, I thank you for fighting this battle, and you know, whatever's gonna come down uh in the future, you know, we wish you the best of all of that. And thank you. Wherever you end up, you're gonna thrive.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

That's just I appreciate that. And I hope we can continue. I just I'm not sure, but hey, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 59:44

If it continues to be House of Jane, and if you need if you want to find House of Jane, it's houseofjane.com.

SPEAKER_05 59:51

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

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SPEAKER_01 59:57

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SPEAKER_05 1:02:11

And we're back with Happy Hunt. Brought it for the second time. She was great. I really enjoyed visiting her. She's got some challenges ahead of her, but um, you know, if if there's a way to make that all work out, she's gonna figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:25

She is, and she's extremely knowledgeable. She knows what the hell she's talking about. Um, and it makes me wonder that if she's worried and the way she runs her business with such integrity and such knowledge that um yes, you should not be buying these products at the gas station when Creepy Joe at Maverick Market is they don't know you know S about S.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:51

No, yeah, you shouldn't buy anything like that at a at a gas station or convenience store. You should buy that from a reputable company that sells that stuff. Uh like don't buy your tacos at uh the gas station. That's that's another reason.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

I'm sorry, but this gas station here in Driphead, the b ha used to have the best frickin' fried chicken.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:10

Uh those those days are done. Yes. I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

It's no longer, but I would not buy gas station sushi.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:16

Wow, what's wrong with that?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

Well, you don't like sushi, but I'm just either way.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:21

Hey, uh early voting is on. I went the very first day.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:25

I have not yet. I will.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:27

I know you will. I know you will. If you're listening right now, make sure you plan, put it on your schedule when you're gonna go early vote. I went to the the uh county building um off of Roger Hanks, and I think I was maybe 20 minutes, and that was the very first day. But you had something weird happening. I did. I want I this is what I want to warn people about. I'm standing in line and it's it's not moving fast, but I'm not I'm you know, I'm not concerned at all. And this guy walks up, it sounded like somebody that knew. He goes, Great. They got three machines in there, and none of them are working. That's what what what do you expect? And I turned around and looked at him, and three people in line went, Ah, you know what? I don't I don't have time for that. And they turned around and left.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:12

I told Todd that story, and Todd said he went back in his truck, sat there for 30 minutes, and then did it again.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:19

So I get in there, I finally get in there. There's like 12 machines, they're all working. I asked the lady, I go, Have you guys had problems with machines? No, we've been up and running since the time we opened the door. Liar. Maybe the guy wasn't being malicious, but keep your ideas to yourself. Don't say stuff like that. You don't want to turn off a voter that's in line. I agree. And if you're in line waiting, just wait. It's worth it. Yeah, everybody needs to vote. It's a very important thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:46

Rita um posted on her story today, and I can't wait to talk to her about it. She said she went and voted, and she said that I think she said Susan B. Anthony would be very proud of her. I think that's what she said. I can't remember correctly. But she said apparently she was getting yelled at because she was on her phone, but she didn't hear because she had her headphones in.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:04

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

And uh so uh stay off your phone in line.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:07

Yes. Oh, well, I think you can be on your phone until you go into the where they vote. Yeah. You can't take pictures or whatever. No, you can definitely can't take pictures.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:15

Look, you can take your you can take a piece of paper in there and like if you write who to who to vote for or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:22

So yeah, but either way, get out and do it. It's very important. We we need every vote, and every vote needs to count.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:28

Yeah, hey, um, Steve, Sunday, this past Sunday, you and I went to a variety show hosted by the girls at adjacent podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:35

The adjacent podcast, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:37

And um we were guests of theirs along and there were gosh, there were so many podcasters in there. Yeah, it was cool. Um, we had something kind of strange happen in there too. You know, people, when you are at a comedy show or at anything where somebody is standing at the stage, um, shut up. Stop talking.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:56

Yeah, Matt Evans, who have was a guest a couple of episodes ago, he's a comedian. And a vet was doing his set. Really funny guy. And while he was on stage, there were six people very close to the front of the stage, just having their own little party there right in front of it. And they were not quiet about it. They weren't whispering. He actually called them out. But yeah, if you go to some show like that, just shut up. Seriously. Yeah, let the guy do his thing. I think it threw him off a little bit. He was still real funny. But uh yeah, it was very disrespectful. It was, it was very and everybody was looking at them. They were just clueless. Like I know I did you see them every now and then? I was like, I know. We were all giving them the stink eye, but they were they were clueless. So yeah. And then Donna Lee was on after that. So funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:39

Trying to get her on the podcast, trying to see when when her schedule lines up. She's if you guys haven't heard of her, she was so, so funny. Um, so speaking of despicable people that won't shut up, I have to um just give you a praise, a somebody a praise that uh oh, I thought you were talking about me for a second.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:59

No, no, no, no. Okay, all right. It's the total total opposite.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

Despicable person or people to appraise. And so my brother has a um a very life compromising illness right now that he's working through. And uh um, so any prayers out there could I could really use them for him. Uh but I ran across this lady, her name is Veronica, and she works at Salon Mystique. And speaking of Salon Mystique, we've had two people uh from from there. Yeah, Mr.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:30

Uzanna's who's the owner, and Amy Yao.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:33

She's one of the stylists there. Amy was the one that turned me on to Veronica because I needed to get Chris's haircut. And on the day that we I took my brother, right after we left her chair, we went to the ER, uh, Veronica took such good care of Chris, such good care, even said, you know, I'll come to your house or whatever. And I just have to say that, you know, when it it is we're it's a sad world that we live in when someone being kind and being nice is out of the norm. That's rare. You know what? We're I'm gonna give you praise, Veronica, and thank you so much. And so if you need a good men's haircut, go to Veronica because she did a slaw mystique. She did a great job.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:13

You know, uh I was just I was reading a book, listen, an audio book last week, and it was talking about how we underestimate the impact we can have in people's lives just by being nice to them. Like smile. Yeah. Tell somebody, you know, give them a compliment, you know, just like, hey, you did a good job with that. You know, I know I don't say that enough to you. But yeah, it you you under we underestimate how just being friendly and nice to somebody, how much of a difference that can make in their lives?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:40

You're friendly and nice to me. You bought me a taco today, so I did.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:43

I got I bought you one taco. You said two tacos, I said no, that's too much. Hey, uh I bet you've seen this. I I was actually kind of curious if you've seen it. Did was your Instagram feed filled with videos of that Tesla roadster that they launched last week? Did you see the funny thing? Literally launched?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:02

Did you see the meme that I posted afterwards? Okay, it was so funny. It was like it was the Tesla, and he's riding on the road, and there's a bunch of bicyclists on the side, and the and it looks like the Tesla like pops up on its wheel and goes, he just blows him off the road. That was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:17

Oh, that's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:18

I thought that was the coolest freaking George Jetson thing I've ever seen in my lifetime. Well, I flying cars in my lifetime. That was cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:28

If you haven't seen it, and I'm sure there'd probably nobody out there that hasn't, it was trending like massively, like one of the most trending uh videos ever. This car has fans in it that sucks it down to the road. It even can hang upside down from a from a surface. Um it's it had cold rockets and compressed air in it, and it launched this that ramp was 70 feet high.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:50

So cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:50

Went vertical up a ramp, upside down off the ramp, and then launched into the air, and these rockets and compressed air put it down fairly gently onto the ground. Um and uh then they later did a zero to sixty test where they got it to less than a second, which is crazy. The fastest Ferrari ever sold, which costs over $700,000, which is the SF-90 Stradali, the fastest that they've ever had is two seconds. That car is over twice as fast as the fastest ever Ferrari.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:26

I'm sorry. It's it's super cool. I saw them do like a Dukes a hazard style thing, and then there was another car that another manufacturer that showed them jumping over a bunch of Teslas. I don't know if you saw that one.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:39

Well, no, that was the same car. They had they lined up one of everyone. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:42

This was a whole nother flying car manufacturer. Okay. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:46

Well, there was a bunch of spoofs and AI stuff out there. But you know, I watched it, and a friend of Brandon, my friend, sent it to me, and I watched it and I thought, this is just a toy for Saudi chicks, tech bros, you know, and and uh Oh if okay, if it is It's not it's not a car guy car. That is not a car guy car.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:08

Well, I'm not a car guy, and I thought it was cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:11

Would you buy one though? That if that car was gonna be available. Well, first of all, the the the Department of Transportation is not gonna allow a car on the road with rockets and and 250 gallon compressed air.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:23

Now they're not.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:23

Well, maybe in the future.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:24

Now I saw a meme where where uh it was like the Mexican border and and like the cartel had the had it in the ground.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:34

Can it get you over the border wall? Sold.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:37

If I could go on Mopac and just bypass, I could just float on a head, like screw the toll road. What if you're above the toll road? Are they still charging you? No.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:46

Oh, good, good question. I you know, kudos to uh Elon Musk for being the showman with that. I mean, that was that video may be one of the most watched videos of all time. That car looks like.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

Even more than Kim Kardashian, did it knock her off?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:04

Probably, I'm sure. But I, you know, I would still over if I had all the money in the world, I would still go buy a really nice Porsche 911 over that car. That car is just a toy.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:15

If that Porsche 911 could also fly.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:19

I wouldn't buy it. I don't want it. And I'd actually buy a little older one because I want it to be more mechanical, more raw, more just driving experience. If you haven't seen it, just just search Tesla and Instagram and you'll see 500 videos of that car.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:40

I don't know. It that was super cool. What if you had an opportunity just to drive in it?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:45

Like, would you yeah, I'd probably take a ride in it, but I'm telling you, there are literally 30 or 40 other cars I'd rather go for a ride in or drive before I'd get to that one. I I'm not a curmudgeon. I'm a realist. I'm a car guy. I there's no car guys out there looking at that going, oh, I really want one of those. Real car guys, that's a toy. That's just it's just uh it's just make-believe. It's it's fake. It's not really fun. Fake news. Fake news.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:14

He's he's he's full of it right now. He's just full of it. He's he's a hater m hater face. Yeah, hater Tesla hater.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:21

No, I actually love Tesla.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:22

I think they do some cool stuff, but um, I also heard that Elon Musk next year is going to give, I don't know how many shares, but he's gonna give a share to every child of his SpaceX. Yes, which I think is pretty neat too. Okay, so I know you're not a uh a drinker. Um, you know, every now and then I can force, you know, a little you can poison me with it. I can poison you a little bit with it. But Travis County, they just released their uh TABC liquor sales from January to um August of this year on 2026. And I thought it was fascinating, especially coming right off the conversation with with Haley about the alcohol lobbyist and stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:01

So the number one um uh business in Austin for alcohol sales. Can I guess?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:11

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:12

Specs.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:13

No, no, no. I'm sorry. Um alcohol, like not alcohol sales, but like uh alcohol drinks. Okay, you actually had to mix. Oh, oh, okay. Okay, okay, all right so give me uh D Betty JW Marriott in Austin 7.1 million dollars from January to August.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:33

Oh, you're talking about like a bar. Like a bar. How much okay? I wasn't following what you were putting down.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:40

It um it excluded beer and wine. Okay, so that is just hard, actually liquor. Um, so $490 million was reported in liquor sales from January to August. Um, some hotel and venue accounts uh include multiple bars and restaurants. So the JW Marriott, so that I'm sure they have you know some of their restaurants and some of their several bars. Number two, which I have partake partaking, partooken in, um, the Moody Center at UT, 5.7. And that's because if you order a margarita, that margarita is $25 or whatever. That's why that's probably one concert that that is actually. Yeah. Number three, the proper hotel, $4.4. This one surprised me, but didn't surprise me. Number four, Matt's L Rancho. You're kidding. Five point three million dollars. How much is the beauty center? Holy crazy. $5.3 million. Then right after that is the Omni Barton Creek Resort and Spa. They were 4.0 or 4.082. Comedy Mothership number 14. I'm gonna go a little bit further down, 2.6 million. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:51

This comedy and alcohol.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:53

This really surprised me. Well, I think they have like a two-drink minimum, but you don't, I think you uh There's no cover, but you have to buy two drinks. No, comedy mothership, you have to purchase a ticket to get in there, but I can't remember how it is because it's been a while since I've been there. This one surprised me that comedy mothership was above this one because I've been to the domain, I've been to this place, I've I've been to and it's like packed. Wonder bar. Um, they only had 1.4. And then right underneath that, that was 51. Right underneath that was the Hotel Van Zant. And the reason why I brought up the Hotel Van Zant is because my I'm cousins with Towns Van Zant. And uh he's the one that did Poncho and Lefty. Um 1.3. And but I when we've gone to a hotel bar, we either go to the W or we go to the Van Zant because the Van Zant has amazing views.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:40

If you ever want to take people from out of town, a rainy street right around the room. Yeah, it's really it's a really cool place. I've never been inside.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:47

It's really cool. It's a cool place to go up there, and they they play jazz sometimes on Friday nights. It's really nice. Number 100, so all the way at the bottom, which again, I have partaking, partookin at this place, Armadillo Den. I love Armadillo Den. It's a place you and Holly would really enjoy going to see live music. It's a cool place. You don't have to get alcohol. Um, a million dollars. That's crazy. A million dollars. But I would think it would be much, much higher. But um, I want them to release the top drinkers by name and their credit cards numbers.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:19

I think that would actually be pretty cool to see who Do you think there's anybody out there that's you know, because I'm sure they're you know buying around for everybody that spent a million dollars on alcohol this year?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:29

Uh you know, the reason why I think the JW Marriott is probably also because it's around the convention center. Yeah. And so just I mean, a lot of those people that are on expense accounts and they're like, yeah, we'll buy around for everybody, or you know, they're trying to take a client out and they're like, let's order the $500 bottle of tequila for tastings.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:47

And then they get fired the next day.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:48

Yeah. But uh um, yeah, it's very interesting. That the alcohol sales are insane.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:53

It's funny that you mentioned Matt Sale Rancho because I've often driven by there. It's not a pretty big piece of land, and I always thought, how can a Mexican restaurant be thriving in the U.S. It's an Austin staple. Where I know, well, it's an Austin staple, but they're also selling five or what probably seven million dollars worth of year of alcohol. So that's the same. Well, no, think about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:13

From January to August, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:15

So they did 5.1, is that what you said?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:18

5.3. So they're doing over $10 million in alcohol.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:23

Almost.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:23

That's why, okay, I love their vehicles. That like when I go to Matt's outventure, Todd and I always get the Vejitas. Um, people say, people, you either love or hate Matt's. And there's a lot of people that have come in from California or whatever, and they always go, Matty Sini, Mantin, then. And you know what? Then don't go. Then don't go. Don't go. Let me get on the two-hour wait before you. And then I saw one of the comments that said, that's why Matt's is so popular because of their alcohol. And let me tell you, their drinks, their Mexican martinis are pretty delicious.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:54

Well, it explains why there isn't a giant 12-story condo there now. That's because Matt's is making a lot of money selling Mexican food and alcohol.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:03

Well, I have to tell you a funny story, a personal story. Tate was in San Francisco and he was walking his dog. Tate has met the most fascinating people walking his dog. And Tate will talk to anybody. And uh, so he was walking his dog and he talked to this one guy and he goes, Oh, yeah. He goes, Where are you from? Oh, I'm from Austin. He goes, Oh yeah. He goes, I'm from Austin. He goes, actually, my grandparents owned a little restaurant in Austin. He goes, Oh, really? What restaurant? Maybe I know it. And he goes, Oh, it's Matt's El Rancho. And Tate goes, Yeah, I know Matsell Rancho. I know Matsell Rancho.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:35

That's funny. Yeah, it is a great place. I haven't been there in a while. We need to make a team trip to Matsell Rancho. We're gonna do the uh, what do you call the rooms? Uh the Escape Room. Escape room and Matt's L Rancho.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:46

That's we're definitely doing the actually it's just a trick to lock you in a room and us to walk away.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:51

That's right. Hey, I was reading this story this morning, and it I I it always cracks me up that in our society in America, the contradictions and the irony that we have. Right now, there are companies that are, you may have heard of this, they're installing these uh grid scale batteries in like small infill type uh uh empty lots. So infill is, you know, you got two neighborhoods, and right in the middle of it, there's two little lots, maybe an acre or two acres apiece, and there's nothing on them. And so these companies are coming in and they're installing these uh grid scale batteries where if you are a big believer in renewable energy, you can't, you know, during the day when you have solar, you can charge these batteries. It's not light all the time. If you're on wind, the wind doesn't always blow. When the wind is blowing, you can charge these batteries and then use the use the electricity at night when uh when things are expensive for the you know for gas and oil and all that. And so there's uh 370 of these sites in the U.S. right now. And the left, which loves renewables, is fighting these things because they they are there is a risk of fire. There are these lithium-type batteries that um that can have a very toxic fire. And so the the left doesn't like them because this potential for fire. And so there's all these moratoriums going on, and the right doesn't like them because, hey, we should be drilling more and having more oil and more natural gas. Drill, baby, drill. Drill, baby drill. So it's just funny to me there is a solution there, and and everybody doesn't like these things, but they're happening except for there's a hundred and uh uh uh as of uh uh August this year, there's a hundred and eleven moratoriums, and seventy-four of them are in the state of New York. Which you would think, you know, the whole state of New York is saying, yeah, renewables, elect you know, solar, and if you have a neighborhood and they all have solar panels, they can feed into these batteries and then use that electricity at a later time. But these things are being fought at every turn, and there's a lot of infill land where these things could be built. Um but the fires, there was there have been three fires this year in New York alone. So there, even though they have the moratorium now, these fires and these toxic fires, they just burn super hot. Yeah, and they they're hard to put out, and the fumes are very toxic. So I understand that. Um, but I'm sure there's a way to get around that. It's uh I it it's an interesting thing to me because the problems with solar and and wind are the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. And this fixes that problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:34

Who's using these? So if they're charging these batteries, right? Who has access to utilize the charge?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:42

So it would be the utility companies would be in charge of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:46

So who's pushing it? The utility companies?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:48

The utility companies are pushing it. Well, our Texas grid is crap, so maybe uh Well, I I mean if I've actually uh I have two friends, one that works at Austin Energy now and Brandon Lopez, who is on the show very early on, he's retired from the body. I think number two. Yeah, he's he's retired from Austin Energy, but he's saying that the both of them are saying we gotta have battery. If we're gonna go to all renewables, we gotta have some battery solution. Because you don't always get the wind blowing and you don't always have the sun shining, and you can't just pull one or the other. If you know the grid is funny, it has to have power all the time. You can't just let it the power run out. So you're either gonna be dependent on natural gas power plants or nuclear power plants. There's another one nobody can get behind, but which is probably the answer to all our energy problems, but we can't build them anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:37

I tell you what, Steve, I will make a commitment right now when um it the grid goes down this winter because we're supposed to have a bad winter.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:44

Can you come to your house because you'll have a generator?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:47

I am getting a new generator from Nomic Power Solutions.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:50

Power Solutions the previous sponsor of the show, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:53

They are they are putting a generator in my house. So I am very Well, good.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:58

And then when the power goes out, you can turn your generator on and power the battery place. It's right next door to you.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:04

Yeah, I just want to make sure that um what what do I am I most concerned about if the power goes out? Oh, you know what it was last time? It was my pool pump because I didn't want the pool pump to freeze.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:15

To freeze, which a lot of people third world.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:17

Yeah, or first world problems. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:19

I'm not worried about all the food in the fridge or eating the house. It's cold outside. That's true. I guess you just open the door, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:26

And I have I have a gas, I have a gas stove.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:29

Yeah, uh, I was talking to a friend of mine and her when the power she lives in South Austin. I remember the power went out in South Austin for like five six days. She had a thermometer in her bathroom, her primary bathroom. It was 39 degrees inside her bathroom. Yeah. I was like, damn, that's cold inside the house.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:49

Mine sounds a little tone-deaf. I am getting a generator to keep the pool pump up. But no, the reason why I'm doing it is because I have an oxygen-dependent person in my house, and we have to have You have to have, you can't go, power can't go out.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:01

He would suffer from it.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:02

I should say that is the first, the most important thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:05

Secondary is a pool pump.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:08

So uh, Steve, have you ever okay, I'm gonna butcher this. Have you ever heard of something called cycloraphine?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:14

I have no idea what that is.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:15

Okay, so cycloraphine is a highly potent, emerging, novel, synthetic opioid that has recently been detected right now in this illicit drug supply, and it poses a severe public health risk. And it's primarily right now in the South and Southwest.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:32

They don't really know why it's um So it's drug dealers are selling it?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:36

So so cycloraphine is a newly engineered street drug. Oh, geez. It traces back to the 1960s in Belgium, like a Belgian pharmaceutical research, and they were aiming at finding a stronger painkiller for severe um conditions like bone cancer, because that you know, they say bone cancer is one of the most painful cancers, the bone.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:57

Um, it was never ever approved for human medical use due to its extreme danger and high risk for respiratory depression. Let me tell you, somebody probably went way, way back and discovered this. So what they're seeing right now in Old Miss had a slew of it. UT has put out a uh warning. So all these colleges in the South are seeing this.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:18

You think the the drug dealers are targeting colleges?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:21

So it's an influx of overdoses that are happening right now. It's found in marijuana.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:26

Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:26

Cocaine, but like I'm talking street drugs, not something that you're buying, you know, at a reputable place. Marijuana, cocaine, and other drugs or any other drug, wait, uh an other drug, sorry. It does not show up in fentanyl test strips or any other drug testing device. It is estimated to be up to 10 times more potent than fentanyl. No way. So um Texas is an amnesty state. We've talked about this before with fentanyl. If you suspect or yourself is someone is overdosing, you can call 911 and without fear of being arrested, even if you were under the influence of drugs or alcohol, but they are saying that it takes several doses of Narcan in order to affect this. So again, it's it's undetectable, it cannot be detected by standard fentanyl test strips or even routine hospital urinary screening. Um it's called a polydrug mixing, it's rarely sold under its own name, so it's mixed into powders, liquids, pressed into counterfeit prescription pills. And so the biggest thing what they're seeing is these kids in college are buying these um uh off market or illegal Adderall, right? So they can study. And it is or and it's made to look like it's Xanax or Oxycodone or Adderall, and it puts these people who normally don't use these kind of opioids and stuff like that into extreme risk. Some of the symptoms are slow or stop breathing. Unresponsiveness, pinpoint pupils, gurgling sounds, and blue or gray lips or fingernails. And again, we go back to the Narcan. It's effective at reversing a cyclorophene overdose. However, because of the drug's extreme potency and frequent blending with other sedatives, multiple doses of Narcan are required.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:21

I was just thinking about, okay, so say somebody you're close to you you suspect and you have a couple doses of Narcan, you just keep pumping it into them until they are revived? I didn't I would have never thought about that. I would honestly I would be like one dose of Narcan, oh it didn't work. You know, I wouldn't think twice I wouldn't think, okay, I can do it twice or three times. That's scary to me. I mean, that's making fentanyl look like it's much safer. Child play. And yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:49

Okay, so the thought has occurred to me about this. We had we've had teenagers, right? As a parent nowadays of teenagers, I'm wondering if it is a good bet, even if you think your kid, not my kid, good kid, whatever, is it advisable to keep Narcan it like in your in your medicine cabinet in case somebody or it may not even be that they made a choice to do something that's that's could potentially kill them.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:23

You know, they could take something, some maybe one of their friends says, Oh, I have an Adderall, and they think, you know, and it has fentanyl in it or this cyclo, whatever you call it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:32

Cyclorophene. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:33

Cyclorophine. Uh and so yeah, I think you should have one of those, but I also think you should talk to your kids and say, I want you to know the stuff that's out there. You somebody may tell you it's just a marijuana joint, but these all these other things could be in there that not only could harm you, they could potentially kill you. You could die from that. I I don't think you can emphasize that enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:57

I I agree with you. You know, Haley, we were going down this long rabbit trail about that this reputable um the reputable companies, the reputable stores are wanting the regulation. They're wanting the 21 and up, they're wanting all of that. I feel like the conversations that parents are having with children today, with their teenagers today, are so different than even you and I. Our youngest graduated uh eight years, both of our youngest graduated eight years ago, right? So in an eight-year time span, less than a decade, that conversation has changed so incredibly much. And I think that this just even the fact that we have conversations about Narcan.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:41

I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:42

Uh with we're in a fluent community. I know. And if you think this is not happening in this area or it's not going to infiltrate from Austin to over here, you because it was happening on Sixth Street.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:54

Yeah. Well, and w when our kids were in school, there were kids caught with pot all the time, but it was a different kind it was a different world then. Yeah. It wasn't laced with fentanyl, it wasn't laced with cycloflorin. I'll never get that name right. It wasn't laced with all these dangerous chemicals that could really potentially harm these kids. I it was a it was a different time.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:17

Well, I'm wondering, um like quite honestly, I always ask, you know, when I when I when I hear about nefarious kind of activity, I always want to know, and you and I have these conversations a lot about various subjects. It's like, what's the end game? Like, what's the end game of somebody of you're killing your user? What what is the end game of the idea?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:36

Maybe it's addicting.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:37

Or is there other nefarious reasons? Is it a terrorist organization that is creating these and infiltrating these colleges and these high schools?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:47

It's funny to me. And the south funny, it's it it it's interesting that they are targeting colleges.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:53

It's the South and Southwest as of right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:55

So part of that may be that generally, you know, you when you're in college, you you you're starting to figure out who you are and you experiment with different things, and so they think that's a more likely customer. But you might be right. Who knows? Maybe it's something to take down a lot of these kids. God, that's scary.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:12

You know, as a 55-year-old woman, I still know people my age that still snort coke. And I I swear to God. And I'm like, you are the biggest. They're not friends of mine, no, but they're the biggest effing idiots ever. Especially now. It's just like, are you? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:32

Who knows what the drugs that were on the street when when we were in our 20s, but I just I guarantee you it wasn't the stuff like they have.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:40

It isn't. And I I really applaud Haley in the sense that she is for all of these regulations and she doesn't really know what the answer is. You know, there's there's someplace in a happy medium, and and you know, maybe the medical w marijuana aspect is the way to go because we can better control it. Maybe uh maybe that's what it is. If it's if it's a natural product and and we can better control what we're g where we're getting the product from.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:11

Yeah, I I think you're right. Um she said something, know your dose, which I think will make the podcast uh title, which I it's I think that's the most important thing. You know, make sure you're not taking too much and you know, you're taking enough to get the effect you want.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:25

Yeah, I agree. I agree. But you know, I just it it just struck with me really hard-hitting thinking the conversations that parents are having today with teenagers are so different less than a decade than we're having. So we had with ourselves.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:39

It's a completely different world. Yeah. So go talk to your kids, love on them, and tell them about all the stuff they need to be careful of.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:45

I did want to tell you, I almost forgot. I I I saw something, or I was reading on Reddit because I was reading about this stuff on Reddit, and I saw, I heard a parent say, My kid said, Are you okay if I use you as an excuse? And she goes, What do you mean? Are you okay if I tell my friends that my parents drug um test me every weekend? And let me tell you, so little Johnny, and so he goes to his friends, he goes, Oh, I can't do that. My parents drug test me every weekend and they will take my car away from me. So I I applaud little Johnny that is doing that.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:22

Yeah, you know what? And uh offer that up to your kids. Hey, you know what? You're gonna get a lot of people. I'll be the bad guy. You blame it on me. Tell them I drug test you, tell them if if you come home and I smell something on you, I'll they'll take my phone away, they'll take my car away. Yeah, blame it on your parents. Your parents would be happy to take the fall for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:39

Hey, they'd rather seem like they're the bad guy than having the one picking out your coffin.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:43

Yeah, no kidding. Jeez, boy. Man, that's a that's a sobering thought. Well, on that note, we're done. Uh can we think of something fun to say, something uh more uplifting? Uh yeah. I know maybe we'll pop some of these THC drinks here. But uh but anyway, go talk to your kids. Love on them, tell them uh to be careful out there. It's it's a crazy world right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:07

Hey, and while you can, you go support House of Jane. Go go talk to people who are responsible about this.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:12

And then go vote.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:13

Yeah, and then go vote.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:15

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